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Re: Clue #8 - 2020
Clue 3 - the genuflect, bending knee in prayer, Catholic Church, Cathedral. So bending to find the clue is one thing, but can you actually see the cathedral from BVNS? Harriet? Clue 9 - Can you see the James J Hill house from these locations as well?I think being able to see landmarks that they are hinting about has to come into play right? In order to triangulate your search within a park. Thought I was done noodling, Im a wannabe addict.
Re: Clue 9 2020
Yes!!!!
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To be honest, not really. I think that would be a logistical headache for the paper. Not to mention would it mean doubling the prize money? I feel pretty sure it's just one treasure we are looking for.
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You might have rekindled my faith in that area- back out there soon I suppose.
Worth pointing out that genuflect makes sense, a) to denote its on the ground b) Maryland (Ave) was founded as a catholic colony.
Better find it before it gets hotter- wouldn’t want to burn(quist ave.) myself.
Worth pointing out that genuflect makes sense, a) to denote its on the ground b) Maryland (Ave) was founded as a catholic colony.
Better find it before it gets hotter- wouldn’t want to burn(quist ave.) myself.
Re: Clue 9 2020
Any one tossing around the idea of 2 medallions this year?
Re: Clue 9 2020
I think tonight we will get a Vento clue. I think Clue 11 will give us the park and it will probably be found then. I believe if you are in the right park, they have already defined a pretty small area. At this point I believe it has to be either BVNS, Swede, or the SE corner of Phalen, none of which will handle a big crowd very well, so they're keeping us off-balance.
It would actually be kind of awesome to go into the 12th clue with people still spread out in multiple parks.
It would actually be kind of awesome to go into the 12th clue with people still spread out in multiple parks.
Re: Clue 9 2020
I must say, you all are doing a great job with noodling this, I however have completely went low carb (no pasta for me) and this has all gotten greek to me, LOL It really is fun throwing out thoughts, but there are just so many directions. You know what I do hate though, is the 11:30 PM late night run to the treasure, cuz no one found it yet and they're basically just telling you where the thing is. With as much snow as there is out there, it's going to take a while to dig that thing out. They do want to sell papers and create a buzz. I just hope someone finds it before the last "here it is" clue.
Re: Clue 9 2020
Matt, it might be worth a call. I know railroad property is and has been off limits in the past. But I like your thoughts.
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Re: Clue 9 2020
The land that Bruce Vento Trail runs through on the east side of the lake is owned by the Ramsey County Railroad & Housing Authority. Not sure if that technically makes it public. It also looks like the wooded area South of Shore drive and East of Johnson is part of the park.
My first find on "coal man" was Clarence W Wigington who was an award winning artist with Charcoal...The pavilion on Harriet Island IS named after him, however he grew up in Omaha, Nebraska (his path) and Nebraska Ave leads to the east side of Phalen Lake. It actually turns north and becomes Atlantic Ave (a grand body of water). Also Clarence street is just east of McAfee street (virus protection from hackers) which is just east of BV Trail. South of there you'd be careful not to traipse on Ivy (flora).
One of the old maps from the site David shared showed "WATER TANK" on the north east side of the lake. It sure does feel like we're being directed to the South and East side of the lake, and I agree with David that if the BV trail is in play, they would be using Phalen clues to get us there.
So what do people think? Is the Trail over there in play or do we have to keep ourselves in the park property? The plot of land south of maryland on either side of Johnson is also part of the park...There are some tennis courts you might swing on down to.
My first find on "coal man" was Clarence W Wigington who was an award winning artist with Charcoal...The pavilion on Harriet Island IS named after him, however he grew up in Omaha, Nebraska (his path) and Nebraska Ave leads to the east side of Phalen Lake. It actually turns north and becomes Atlantic Ave (a grand body of water). Also Clarence street is just east of McAfee street (virus protection from hackers) which is just east of BV Trail. South of there you'd be careful not to traipse on Ivy (flora).
One of the old maps from the site David shared showed "WATER TANK" on the north east side of the lake. It sure does feel like we're being directed to the South and East side of the lake, and I agree with David that if the BV trail is in play, they would be using Phalen clues to get us there.
So what do people think? Is the Trail over there in play or do we have to keep ourselves in the park property? The plot of land south of maryland on either side of Johnson is also part of the park...There are some tennis courts you might swing on down to.
Re: Clue 9 2020
The area I am thinking there is definitely in Phalen then, where the trail is close to Johnson.
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And really, either way, if it was there, the cluewriter would probably use Phalen clues to refer to it even if it wasn't in Phalen proper.
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Awesome. I just verified on Ramsey county maps too.
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Some is, some isn't.
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Are the woods adjacent to the path by Phalen public land/part of Phalen though?
Re: Clue 9 2020
My Phalen thought on this clue is that it does refer to James J. Hill. He was in fact a coal guy who moved to St. Paul and then started up a railroad, the Great Northern. His path would have been the railways (though I think that is also a hint to a current day path). Math is neither good nor bad, so I'm thinking in this case good math means "profitable", which his railroad was.
He at one point tried to buy the Northern Pacific railroad but then had to give it up because of anti-trust laws, though he still mostly controlled it. So in that sense, the Northern Pacific "fell short of Hill". But what once was the Northern Pacific railway is now the Bruce Vento Trail. Of course this answer could also apply to BVNS and Swede Hollow and maybe Mounds. But it definitely goes by Phalen, right by where I think it is.
I strongly suspect we will get a Bruce Vento clue tonight.
He at one point tried to buy the Northern Pacific railroad but then had to give it up because of anti-trust laws, though he still mostly controlled it. So in that sense, the Northern Pacific "fell short of Hill". But what once was the Northern Pacific railway is now the Bruce Vento Trail. Of course this answer could also apply to BVNS and Swede Hollow and maybe Mounds. But it definitely goes by Phalen, right by where I think it is.
I strongly suspect we will get a Bruce Vento clue tonight.
Re: Clue 9 2020
I wish the clues didn’t have me changing my mind every 5 seconds.
It could be JJH - and odds of a small downtown park may have never been higher. That said if it is a Hill reference I would guess they are talking about Walnut Street, which falls just short of the mansion- and past old St Luke’s Hospital to Irvine Park.
My initial read on this one is about Chris Coleman, who helped champion the renovation of the Sam Morgan Trail which runs by but does not reach Downtown up hill. The city commissioned a study to see how much a direct connection to the Vento Trail would cost (good math) but have not started the project. How this relates to other clues is beyond me.
At this point I just hope these aren’t all references to trash they littered on the ground again.
It could be JJH - and odds of a small downtown park may have never been higher. That said if it is a Hill reference I would guess they are talking about Walnut Street, which falls just short of the mansion- and past old St Luke’s Hospital to Irvine Park.
My initial read on this one is about Chris Coleman, who helped champion the renovation of the Sam Morgan Trail which runs by but does not reach Downtown up hill. The city commissioned a study to see how much a direct connection to the Vento Trail would cost (good math) but have not started the project. How this relates to other clues is beyond me.
At this point I just hope these aren’t all references to trash they littered on the ground again.
Re: Clue #8 - 2020
I am a reformed fairgrounds truther. It is definitely not in any county, and is only subordinate to the State of MN.
MN Stat. 37.01 says among other things “Any part of the State Fairgrounds which is within the boundaries of a city or other political subdivision of the state is detached from the city or political subdivision.”
MN Stat. 37.01 says among other things “Any part of the State Fairgrounds which is within the boundaries of a city or other political subdivision of the state is detached from the city or political subdivision.”
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I don't think the streetcar noodle was bupkis. It's still a cornerstone of my Phalen theory. I didn't post it here because it was your theory but you can if you like. I thought it sounded better than any other explanation for that clue that I have heard.
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